tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post9203426872106410928..comments2024-01-25T07:48:25.888-08:00Comments on Beacon of Masonic Light: Masonic Malcontents?Theron Dunnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08071430921547904160noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-22069458738217241902018-10-03T03:52:56.201-07:002018-10-03T03:52:56.201-07:00What a really awesome post this is. Truly, one of ...What a really awesome post this is. Truly, one of the best posts I've ever witnessed to see in my whole life. Wow, just keep it up. <a href="https://www.nestandrest.co.za/contact/" rel="nofollow">Good lodge in Springs</a>liam Ethanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07406971935302608266noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-19095056661857269562007-11-27T20:06:00.000-08:002007-11-27T20:06:00.000-08:00Dear Mister Former Brothers aka the Masonic Malcon...Dear Mister Former Brothers aka the Masonic Malcontents: Greetings from the other side. The bottom line is this, you let your ego's get in the way of good order, discipline and tolerance. This is not not the upright Mason we were taught be be. The entire membership of the lodge is not represented in your actions, or even a simple majority otherwise it would not happen at all. Yes, we did not sit in lodge while they committed conspiracy against the fraternity. Yes, we agree that they took what was not their working tools, charge and ritual from the Grand Lodge of Ohio. Yes, we agree that your actions will result in expulsion from the Fraternity that you once belonged. Now as cowans and eavesdroppers, we cannot not communicate with you Masonically. Please do not misrepresent the fratnity and slander Masons, your former Grand Lodge or your former brothers ever again. Go in peace mister peace. So mote it be. <BR/>Fraternally,<BR/>/s/<BR/>HiramAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-80217229920438276682007-11-21T14:00:00.000-08:002007-11-21T14:00:00.000-08:00My brother;As I note in the footer of every page o...My brother;<BR/><BR/>As I note in the footer of every page of this blog, I speak ONLY for myself. Based on their actions, and the letter just now published by W. Ken Miller, former master of Halcyon Lodge, they are guilty of, at the least, in my opinion, unmasonic conduct.<BR/><BR/>They surrendered their dues cards, and have formed a clandestine lodge, attempting to use the assets of their former lodge. IN MY MIND, and based on my observations, I am not sure I can consider any of them to be masons any longer.<BR/><BR/>But that is just me.<BR/><BR/>As for your contention about violating our obligations, please brother, you cannot speak for me and my actions. I am not speaking ill of a brother, seeing as they have, of their own free will and accord, surrendered their membership in the Grand Lodge of Ohio, and violated their obligations... to darn near everyone.Theron Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08071430921547904160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-77265635273100532912007-11-21T13:48:00.000-08:002007-11-21T13:48:00.000-08:00Bro. Theron wrote: "The plain fact is... these men...Bro. Theron wrote: "The plain fact is... these men are no longer masons, having violated their obligations, so their antics are no longer a concern of mine."<BR/><BR/>It's not a fact at all. And you're not the judge or jury. It's not your place to say they are not Masons.<BR/><BR/>Nor does violation of an obligation automatically make a Mason "no longer [a] mason." If that were true, you'd long ago have ceased to be a Mason, as would most of us, for violating one or more of the obligations. Have you never violated the one about speaking "evil" of a brother Master Mason? <BR/><BR/>Why is it that whenever someone raises the issue of not following a grand master's least whim, there are shouts of "you violated your obligation!" but yet they/we/I often ignore violations of other items on the list?<BR/><BR/><BR/>Widow's Son<BR/><A HREF="http://burningtaper.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">BurningTaper.com</A>Widow's Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05135009678671539418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-77239716576220593792007-11-20T10:01:00.000-08:002007-11-20T10:01:00.000-08:00"Br. Thomas"First of all, if you are interested in..."Br. Thomas"<BR/><BR/>First of all, if you are interested in the source comments, look on the LRUS. I have no intention of engaging in a discussion about their past actions.<BR/><BR/>Second of all, believe me, don't believe me, it is of no consequence to me.<BR/><BR/>Third, the question I asked the Halcyon brothers was based on unequivocal comments made by a brother of that lodge in a phone conversation. I know him pretty well, and he was not shy about his claims.<BR/><BR/>Based on the actions of Halcyon, acting as if the Grand Lodge did not matter and the claims of a man that he was a dues card holding member of that lodge since August of 2007, I asked if it were true.<BR/><BR/>The subsequent actions to straighten out Halcyon's activities, and the fact they never voted the man in as a dues card holding member, NOR as an honorary member of the lodge, shows the Grand Lodge and Grand Master were in no way constrained in acting.<BR/><BR/>You can believe or not believe the source, again, I know what the man said, and I sat on it for at least six months, watching to see, by their actions, if it were true. When their actions seemed to indicate an unusual independence, I asked the question.<BR/><BR/>Of course I did not believe it, but because the man had told ME it was true, I began to worry that he had made similar assurances to the brothers in Halcyon Lodge. Due and timely notice demanded that the question be asked publicly.<BR/><BR/>The master of the lodge categorically denied it, which demonstrated that they were not operating under a false flag, but rather, an, in my opinion, excess of arrogance and a shortage of brotherly love and charity.<BR/><BR/>Just my opinion based on observation.<BR/><BR/>The plain fact is, "Thomas", these men are no longer masons, having violated their obligations, so their antics are no longer a concern of mine. I will wait a time with patience and watch as the Grand Lodge of Ohio fixes the mess these men have left behind.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, if you had read my blog, you would see the point was NOT Halcyon Lodge, but the actions of men LIKE these, who put their ego and arrogance ahead of their obligation as Master Masons.Theron Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08071430921547904160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-9148598301404387552007-11-20T08:58:00.000-08:002007-11-20T08:58:00.000-08:00Theron:"Oh, and for the record, one of the brother...Theron:"Oh, and for the record, one of the brothers of the lodge in question specifically claimed to have participated in actions DESIGNED to drive away the "old fogeys" who were standing in their way."<BR/><BR/>could you elaborate on those actions in question? I would love to know what they were.<BR/><BR/>or has a brother of that Lodge fed you false info to run with it?<BR/>remember your confusion between Ohio and Ga.s problems, laying claim to the fact the a brother of said lodge fed you stuff about the gL o Ohio, which turned out false, so how can we trust you or your informant, when you and they have been wrong in the past?<BR/><BR/>Clarification would be cool.<BR/><BR/>Brother Thomas Covenant<BR/>The Ur-LordAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-25991282274211492552007-11-19T07:55:00.000-08:002007-11-19T07:55:00.000-08:00Lord Thomas Covenant;i recognize the allusion, by ...Lord Thomas Covenant;<BR/><BR/>i recognize the allusion, by the way... to the most hated character in science fiction. You don't like yourself much, or what???<BR/><BR/>As for the lodge in question, you keep going sideways. Please actually, oh, I don't know, READ my blog? I do not care about the lodge in question, really. As long as they work within the rules, or, if they cannot, quit.<BR/><BR/>Instead, they tried to take the lodge and its assets WITH them, which they, the members in question, do not have a right to. And, as I noted many times, I am more than willing to sit back and watch as the GM reconstitutes the lodge and moves the assets BACK under the control of the lodge.<BR/><BR/>Also, as I noted, if they were sincere in their intentions, they would simply have demited from the lodge. Period. The rest is drama, and seemingly an intent to be "in the face" of the grand lodge. <BR/><BR/>Unworthy, in my estimation, of the <BR/>"high" calling to which they are laying claim.<BR/><BR/>Just my opinion.<BR/><BR/>Oh, and for the record, one of the brothers of the lodge in question specifically claimed to have participated in actions DESIGNED to drive away the "old fogeys" who were standing in their way.<BR/><BR/>Not very masonic for men claiming the high moral ground. When you claim to be highly moral, you have to ACT like it. You have to ensure that your actions and words do not cast doubt or shadow on your actions.<BR/><BR/>Other than that, they done good.<BR/><BR/>However, the point of the article is NOT that lodge.Theron Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08071430921547904160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-83122174680777762292007-11-19T05:27:00.000-08:002007-11-19T05:27:00.000-08:00Again Theron, when YOU enetered into this game, it...Again Theron, when YOU enetered into this game, it was very late and unfortunatley it was apparently at the end.<BR/><BR/>So, can someone who missed the first 3 1/2 quarters of a football game really commenton the WHOLE game?<BR/><BR/>Logic, which is taught in the Fellow Craft degree, would ay no.<BR/><BR/>Theron quote"As for roster and members and so forth, I know what they have posted on the actions they took to run out the "old fogeys", their membership numbers, and the number of active brothers."<BR/><BR/>If just raising dues is considered "running off old fogeys", WOW. No slight of hand tactics there. <BR/><BR/>RAISING DUES = Running out the old fogeys?<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. <BR/>Author: Thomas Jefferson<BR/>Source: found among his papers after his death<BR/><BR/>Bro Thomas Covenant<BR/>The Ur-LordAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-90514363083935468172007-11-18T18:25:00.000-08:002007-11-18T18:25:00.000-08:00First of all, I have not named a lodge or a person...First of all, I have not named a lodge or a person in relation to this issue. Have I sat in lodge with them? Nope, wouldn't care to, any more than I would attend a co-ed lodge, and for pretty much the same reasons.<BR/><BR/>Everything I have posted is based upon their own claims and statements. They noted they moved the assets of the lodge out and into an "outside" charity. This is in contravention to the bylaws and constitution of the grand lodge under which they held their charter when they took these actions.<BR/><BR/>As for roster and members and so forth, I know what they have posted on the actions they took to run out the "old fogeys", their membership numbers, and the number of active brothers.<BR/><BR/>All this is out there on LRUS and other forums, by their own hand. And my COMMENTARY is based entirely on their own claims and statements.<BR/><BR/>So, can you point to one statement that I made in my blog that is factually incorrect? And if so, how can YOU be sure, seeing as I have not named any lodge, grand lodge, state, city, or brother?<BR/><BR/>For all you know, I am talking about a little lodge in Clearwater, Florida. I'm not, but the lodge itself is unimportant, the actions these men have taken is illustrative of the minority of men who arrogantly think they know what is best for a fraternity of over 5 million men that is over 300 years old.<BR/><BR/>Period.Theron Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08071430921547904160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-50316030100581683452007-11-18T16:56:00.000-08:002007-11-18T16:56:00.000-08:00A few questions for you Bro.Dunn.1. Have you ever ...A few questions for you Bro.Dunn.<BR/><BR/>1. Have you ever sat in their meetings?<BR/>If the answer is no, then how can you sit there and speculate?<BR/><BR/>2. How do know how many members they have? Have you seen their roster?.<BR/><BR/>3. And how many on that roster are suspended for non- payment of dues.?<BR/><BR/>I remember hearing something a few times and it goes like this.<BR/><BR/> You are not to palliate or agravate the offenses of your Brethren, but in the decision of every tresspass against our rules you are to judge with candor, admonish with friendship and reprehend with justice.<BR/><BR/>I have have yet to see you practice this charge on anything you have written on this issue.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you should reread your charges before you play judge, jury and executioner in your own mind.<BR/><BR/>The only people who know exactly what is going on will handle it period. Not you and your speculation.<BR/><BR/>Furthermore, those young men do not have to explain anything to you or anyone else who is not involed.<BR/><BR/>Good luck to the brothers from that lodge.<BR/><BR/>It may work out or it may not.<BR/><BR/>And finally from what I have gatherd, I don't think these guys give two hoots what you think.<BR/><BR/>Step back, count to ten and think about this.<BR/><BR/>So mote it be<BR/>North Star Lodge #638Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-74657274072600096992007-11-18T14:40:00.000-08:002007-11-18T14:40:00.000-08:00Well said Brother Theron!Well said Brother Theron!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-82183698086443106012007-11-18T11:59:00.000-08:002007-11-18T11:59:00.000-08:00Not at all hypocritical... the actions they have t...Not at all hypocritical... the actions they have taken are entirely, in my opinion, unmasonic. The only silver in this otherwise dark cloud is that they are no longer regular masons.<BR/><BR/>They did not attempt anything through gentle acts. I have been following the actions there, and they have been, as far as I can tell, rightly reined in by the grand lodge.<BR/><BR/>Now they have done what I recommended, vote with their feet. Good for them. The issue I take umbrage with is what appears to be their moving the assets of the Lodge out of the "lodge", illegally by their own bylaws and the constitution of the grand lodge under which charter the assets were assembled, THEN surrendering their charter and taking over the assets to form a "new" lodge.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, that is not good. If they were honest in their actions, they would all have simply demited from that lodge and gone to form a new lodge and left the charter in place. After all, there are over 300 members of that lodge.<BR/><BR/>But no, they wanted to have their cake and eat it to (yes, I know, silly saying but there you are). Myself, I have no problem with their objecting to... whatever it was they objected to... following the rules of their grand lodge in not extending even honorary membership to an expelled mason, and not moving the assets of the lodge, wasn't it?<BR/><BR/>If they had simply done the honorable thing, demitted and gone off to get a charter from somewhere else, or even just forming their own new lodge, I would have lauded and honored them. After all, that is following the dictates of their conscience.<BR/><BR/>That is NOT what they did, however. They had to make a show, by "giving back their charter", and taking the assets of the lodge WITH them. Not masonic at all, in my estimation.<BR/><BR/>They should have simply demitted and left the lodge without officers, for the GM to fix however he decided to fix it. That is not what they did, and it is the... other things they did, in association with a rather... untraditional manner of demitting that I object to...<BR/><BR/>By the way, no one really seems to know what was so egregious about their grand lodge that they just HAD to demit, do they? And no one seems to see anything that they are doing that is different from regular masons the world over... except claiming to be the best masons there are, I mean.<BR/><BR/>As I noted in my blog, I do not care if they object, or try to work in the system to "fix" whatever it is that they think is "wrong". All we saw was them fighting against the authority of their grand lodge.<BR/><BR/>Not very masonic, not very useful, not very honorable. But hey, that is just my opinion based on what I can see from what they post and do.<BR/><BR/>And to answer your question, no, I do not see it as hypocritical, especially seeing as I specifically stated I have no problem with brothers that want to make changes.<BR/><BR/>Thanks or asking brother.<BR/><BR/>Meantime, I would not be averse to publishing anything they would like to say about their grievances, the ones that were so bad they had to quit... but they won't do that. I know this as I have asked the MASTER of that lodge to do so. <BR/><BR/>He declined.Theron Dunnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08071430921547904160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-2630546193183902152007-11-18T10:00:00.000-08:002007-11-18T10:00:00.000-08:00Do you not see the irony — or is it hypocracy? — i...Do you not see the irony — or is it hypocracy? — in your own words?<BR/><BR/>You wrote: "As masons, we are called to tolerance, fraternity, and to whisper good counsel to our brothers when they have fallen from the path. There comes a time, however, when all good masons must, failing to bring about a reformation through kind, gentle remonstrations and whispered good counsel, must turn our backs on their antics and say, this far, and no further."<BR/><BR/>This is precisely what the "malcontents" did, at first — attempt "reformation through kind, gentle" acts... but after meeting repeated oppositions, had to say "this far, and no farther," and then take matters into their own hands.<BR/><BR/>Widow's Son<BR/><A HREF="http://burningtaper.blogspot.com" REL="nofollow">BurningTaper.com</A>Widow's Sonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05135009678671539418noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5607997782014255741.post-45687330242986356692007-11-18T05:14:00.000-08:002007-11-18T05:14:00.000-08:00Do never surrender and fight from inside."We shall...Do never surrender and fight from inside.<BR/><BR/>"We shall overcome!"giovanni lombardohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15179925654879157443noreply@blogger.com